Do you believe in free universal healthcare?

[thetea]

2 hours ago, Bakugo said:

I think it does work where it needs to - BUT there needs to be major overhaul for countries like Australia, where we have Medicare etc... BUT alot of aspects need work. 

Yeah. I live in New Zealand and I wrote this before but there are inefficiencies. I had a surgery to test my liver, I didn't have to pay a cent, stayed in hospital overnight, was given good food, access to a kitchen to make coffee, tea, toast and other food. The only downside was the wait. I had to wait about 4 hours, not knowing how long I had to wait. I know that's a really short time in the scheme of things but there are some inefficiencies in the system. 

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1 minute ago, thetea said:

Yeah. I live in New Zealand and I wrote this before but there are inefficiencies. I had a surgery to test my liver, I didn't have to pay a cent, stayed in hospital overnight, was given good food, access to a kitchen to make coffee, tea, toast and other food. The only downside was the wait. I had to wait about 4 hours, not knowing how long I had to wait. I know that's a really short time in the scheme of things but there are some inefficiencies in the system. 

I'm on a waiting list for 4 years now for tonsil removal... so I feel this.

[thetea]

1 minute ago, Bakugo said:

I'm on a waiting list for 4 years now for tonsil removal... so I feel this.

OMG what? I had one done in 2017, I only had to wait 2 weeks It was terrible after though. I was sick and I couldn't blow my nose which was runny because of the tonsil removal. I had to wear this thing under my nose. I couldn't eat solid food for a few days because my throat was so sore and my family literally got KFC the night I had my surgery while I was eating creamed rice and custard. 

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1 minute ago, thetea said:

OMG what? I had one done in 2017, I only had to wait 2 weeks It was terrible after though. I was sick and I couldn't blow my nose which was runny because of the tonsil removal. I had to wear this thing under my nose. I couldn't eat solid food for a few days because my throat was so sore and my family literally got KFC the night I had my surgery while I was eating creamed rice and custard. 

I'm Vegan so this is going to be tough one for methinks!

[thetea]

Just now, Bakugo said:

I'm Vegan so this is going to be tough one for methinks!

It will be. I don't know what you can eat. You can have popsicles and porridge. But I don't know anything else

[Joannesrats PronounsHe/Him]

2 hours ago, ... said:

I feel like im the only here who doesnt fully back universal healthcare. Same for minimum wage. 

You don't support minimum wage? Why not? 

[Joannesrats PronounsHe/Him]

Ironically, most people that are against socialized healthcare are using private insurance. However, private insurance is literally just privatized socialism. Your monthly insurance payments go towards someone else's healthcare. 

When you do a massive healthcare system overhaul, which we need, this will include medical treatment price caps to lower the cost of healthcare overall. Then, when you have the entire country paying into it, the amount each person has to pay will also decrease - potentially lower than what they were paying for private insurance. It's insane that that doesn't make sense to some people. 

[BenG]

1 hour ago, blastertoyo said:

Good to know that you support exploitation

 

 

Chill the hyperbole

[thetea]

50 minutes ago, thetea said:

A few years back, the doctors suspected I had something wrong with my liver. I had a surgery to test it, I was given clothes, spent the day and night in hospital, food and there was even a room where I could make toast, cups of tea, coffee and food. I walked out of there without paying a cent. It was all free. The one downside is of free healthcare is that it's often less reliable then paid healthcare. I had to wait 4 hours for my surgery because of the workload of the surgeons

Oh sorry I didn't finish. Turns out there was nothing wrong with my liver, it was just fat

[Joannesrats PronounsHe/Him]

2 minutes ago, ... said:

Chill the hyperbole

It isn't hyperbole. The minute you get rid of regulation on wages, companies will be paying the bare minimum to keep people working for them. That's why minimum wage was put into place in the first place - to STOP labor exploitation. The minute someone removes those protections, we will see the exact same working conditions we saw in the 20s and 30s. 

[thetea]

Do places not have minimum wage? In my country minimum wage is $18.90 per hour. but if you're under 16 they don't legally have to pay you minimum wage unless your under contract. 

[thetea]

This thread was successful so I might make a similar one about tipping

[Joannesrats PronounsHe/Him]

1 minute ago, thetea said:

This thread was successful so I might make a similar one about tipping

Tipping is BS, but I do it anyways

[nynj nights Pronounsshe/her]

1 hour ago, thetea said:

Yeah. I live in New Zealand and I wrote this before but there are inefficiencies. I had a surgery to test my liver, I didn't have to pay a cent, stayed in hospital overnight, was given good food, access to a kitchen to make coffee, tea, toast and other food. The only downside was the wait. I had to wait about 4 hours, not knowing how long I had to wait. I know that's a really short time in the scheme of things but there are some inefficiencies in the system. 

My friend who is originally from the US but was living in London at the time became really sick so she went to urgent care but it took her so long to see a doctor so she ended up going to a private practice instead in order to receive immediate care (turned out she had pneumonia). But she only did that because she knew her employer would foot the (more expensive) bill. I would be in favor for universal healthcare because I think society as a whole would be better off and healthier if all citizens could access medical services and routine check-ups which could lower healthcare costs in the long-run, but I was always curious to learn more about the demand on healthcare workers and ER/urgent care wait in a free, universal system after hearing my friend's story. I'm not a specialist in this area but I would think in a perfect world there would be some type of public-private hybrid system that would be both efficient and affordable. Not sure if this exists anywhere? 

Also I'm glad to hear that you had a good experience and turned out to be okay!

[BenG]

1 hour ago, Joannesrats said:

It isn't hyperbole. The minute you get rid of regulation on wages, companies will be paying the bare minimum to keep people working for them. That's why minimum wage was put into place in the first place - to STOP labor exploitation. The minute someone removes those protections, we will see the exact same working conditions we saw in the 20s and 30s. 

There are multiple ways to tackle issues. Applying this logic, i can say that you support unemployment by supporting a minimum wage. Not supporting minimum wage doesnt mean i support exploitation. Hence it is a hyperbole. 

[BenG]

1 hour ago, thetea said:

Do places not have minimum wage? In my country minimum wage is $18.90 per hour. but if you're under 16 they don't legally have to pay you minimum wage unless your under contract. 

Most Nordic countries, Switzerland and Singapore do not have a minimum wage, I believe.

[Joannesrats PronounsHe/Him]

11 minutes ago, ... said:

There are multiple ways to tackle issues. Applying this logic, i can say that you support unemployment by supporting a minimum wage. Not supporting minimum wage doesnt mean i support exploitation. Hence it is a hyperbole. 

How would supporting minimum wage support unemployment? That makes no logical sense unless you can break it down for me. Additionally, it is very easy to say that you support exploitation by not supporting minimum wage. Minimum wage has two main goals: make sure that anyone working a full-time job can provide for themselves, AND to make sure that companies pay their employees a fair wage. It was determined that anything else was exploitation of the laborer. There is only one way to tackle companies paying their employees a living wage - and that is with a minimum wage. If you're smarter than every politician then I'd love to hear another solution to that. 

[BenG]

1 minute ago, Joannesrats said:

How would supporting minimum wage support unemployment? That makes no logical sense unless you can break it down for me. Additionally, it is very easy to say that you support exploitation by not supporting minimum wage. Minimum wage has two main goals: make sure that anyone working a full-time job can provide for themselves, AND to make sure that companies pay their employees a fair wage. It was determined that anything else was exploitation of the laborer. There is only one way to tackle companies paying their employees a living wage - and that is with a minimum wage. If you're smarter than every politician then I'd love to hear another solution to that. 

Move this discussion to the tipping/minimum wage thread.

[BenG]

Waiting times can be long if it’s something like the NHS. The lack of competition introduces inefficiencies, and ends up costing taxpayers more money. 

[admin Pronounshe/him]

5 hours ago, ... said:

I feel like im the only here who doesnt fully back universal healthcare. Same for minimum wage. 

What is this bestie?

Universal healthcare has almost only positives.

But even if it had lots of negatives; the fact that anyone can get the healthcare they need without having to worry about costs, their kids, debt, etc etc is enough.

A healthier, less stressed and less-in-debt society is a much stronger one.