Joker trailer out now - Charts Discussion Thread

[little legend]

Can we agree that Krazy officially overtakes Entela as the new Queen of Dupes?

 

Entela had a bigger peak , but Krazy has a crazy longevity

Edited April 25 by little legend

[mattelbutch]

On 4/25/2024 at 4:36 PM, lookwhatyoumademedo said:

This stan discourse around pop girls is so stupid when there's tons of objective data to divide them into tiers. I don't get why stans invest so much time and energy into debating something that is painfully obvious. 

Tier 1 (Madonna and Taylor) 

Tier 2 (Britney, Gaga, Beyonce). Britney and Gaga had massive peaks, but Beyonce has more longevity. Gaga's music career is similar to Britney's trajectory - a massive peak (BOMT/OIDIA/Britney v. TF/TFM/BTW), a flop album (Artpop/Blackout), a comeback album (Circus/ASIB), a relatively successful follow-up with a global hit (Femme Fatale/Chromatica, Till the World Ends/Rain on Me). 

Tier 3 (Katy, Christina, Ariana, Miley, and so on) 

What about Adele, Mariah, Rihanna, Celine, Shakira, Pink…etc
there are so many artists, and this tier thing has a lot of lacks in stats/influence ratio 

Edited April 25 by mattelbutch

[BenG]

On 4/25/2024 at 2:36 PM, little legend said:

Can we agree that Krazy officially overtakes Entela as the new Queen of Dupes?

 

Entela had a bigger peak , but Krazy has a crazy longevity

Krazy the Dua Lipa of PA911. Surprised?

[XXXlop]

How Will These Warner Bros. Sequels To Oscar-Winning Films Perform At The 97th Academy Awards?

Not only does the sequel have Phillips and Phoenix returning, but now it's adding the incomparable Lady Gaga as the iconic Harley Quinn. Regarding the box office, this film will surely be a hit. Fans of the original are guaranteed to return alongside the die-hard Gaga stans that are relentlessly loyal. It would be shocking if this film performed poorly at the box office (unless critical reception is in the gutter).

 

However, in terms of the Academy Awards, "Joker: Folie à Deux" might have a greater appeal than the original. The sequel is said to have musical components, as it's allegedly a jukebox musical. The trailer shows sweeping set pieces, highlighting how the technical aspects of Phillip's filmmaking look to have improved.

 

It's hard to say the film will increase in Oscar nominations over the original as the first "Joker" earned a leading eleven nominations (and won two Academy Awards) in 2019. The only real possibility of this sequel adding to its original nomination haul is Best Actress (and Best Production Design), as previous Best Actress nominee Lady Gaga ("A Star Is Born") is entering the conversation. Currently, it is unknown if there's an original song written for the film, but that is another possibility, bringing the film's possible nomination total to thirteen on its absolute best day.

 

- Source: NBP (from ATRL)

[lookwhatyoumademedo]

On 4/25/2024 at 5:10 PM, mattelbutch said:

What about Adele, Mariah, Rihanna, Celine, Shakira, Pink…etc
there are so many artists, and this tier thing has a lot of lacks in stats/influence ratio 

Basically, Tier 1 (huge consistent success throughout their careers). I would add the Christmas lady to Tier 2 since her success was mostly limited to the 90s, but this is a rather controversial issue. Madonna had massive eras in the 80s, the 90s and the 00s. Taylor has had massive eras in the 2000s, 2010s, and 2020s.  

Tier 2 consists of pop girls who have basically secured permanent MPG status due to their huge peaks, meaning that they were cultural phenomena and commercial behemoths at their prime, but they couldn't maintain this level of success, unlike Tier 1 members. Or pop girls who had consistent success, but never had huge peaks. This tier also includes Gaga, Britney, Beyonce, and Rihanna. 

Tier 3 includes the artists who were never the it-girls with huge peaks, couldn't maintain good sales, but still managed to secure decent overall CSPC. Katy, Xtina, Shakira, Pink, Miley, Ariana, you name it. 

[Miaou]

wow espresso is smashing hard

#1 in the UK with 900K streams

#3 WW with 8.6M streams

[lookwhatyoumademedo]

On 4/25/2024 at 5:50 PM, Miaou said:

wow espresso is smashing hard

#1 in the UK with 900K streams

#3 WW with 8.6M streams

Dua is so over. 

[Miaou]

On 4/25/2024 at 4:52 PM, lookwhatyoumademedo said:

Dua is so over. 

1B streams for DTN this summer and 500M streams for Houdini in May say an other story 

nice try tho 

Edited April 25 by Miaou

[emig_09 Pronounshe/him]

Considering "Radical Optimism" is coming... which position in the US would be a good one?

In my opinion

#1: Phenomenal
#2 or #3: Great
#4 to #6: Really good
#7 or #8: Good
#9 or #10: Ok

#11 and above: Flop

[Fame Romance]

On 4/25/2024 at 11:25 AM, Ayobabylon said:

Ariana moves 15k-16k units excluding ES daily n gaga 10k-11k

If lg -7 smashes ariana aint reaching her anytime soon but if its another chromatica then in upcoming 5-6 years ariana is definitely moving ahead 

Nah

[Fame Romance]

On 4/25/2024 at 5:55 PM, emig_09 said:

Considering "Radical Optimism" is coming... which position in the US would be a good one?

In my opinion

#1: Phenomenal
#2 or #3: Great
#4 to #6: Really good
#7 or #8: Good
#9 or #10: Ok

#11 and above: Flop

#4-6 really good?

plz she’s literally coming off an era with the Hot 100 YEC #1 and had 2 other major smashes DSN and Cold Heart 

[Moonlight Shadow]

On 4/25/2024 at 6:19 PM, Fame Romance said:

#4-6 really good?

plz she’s literally coming off an era with the Hot 100 YEC #1 and had 2 other major smashes DSN and Cold Heart 

I think he meant considering how she's doing with her singles on this album in USA

[Andreu]

On 4/25/2024 at 5:55 PM, emig_09 said:

Considering "Radical Optimism" is coming... which position in the US would be a good one?

In my opinion

#1: Phenomenal
#2 or #3: Great
#4 to #6: Really good
#7 or #8: Good
#9 or #10: Ok

#11 and above: Flop

Youre way too generous I fear

[Miaou]

Portugal
73 (74) 86 The Fame
169 (156) 16 Born This Way
 

BTW charting in Portugal 

[lookwhatyoumademedo]

On 4/25/2024 at 6:55 PM, emig_09 said:

Considering "Radical Optimism" is coming... which position in the US would be a good one?

In my opinion

#1: Phenomenal
#2 or #3: Great
#4 to #6: Really good
#7 or #8: Good
#9 or #10: Ok

#11 and above: Flop

#1 - Good
#2-#3 - Ok
Anything below this is a flop if it doesn't serve longevity. She's no longer a new artist in the US so failing to debut in the top 3 after an era as big as FN would be considered a flop. I have no idea why we have different standards for Dua compared to other girls. Everyone called ESV a flop when it debuted at #3 (even though it had OK-ish numbers). Dua is flopping. It's OK to admit this. Houdini underperformed in the US, the other two singles flopped.       

[zoldyck]

Its not going #1 because of Taylor, for sure.

 

Top 3 - Great

Top 5 - Ok

Anything outside top 5 after an era like FN is downright awful. 

[Zak PronounsHe/Him]

On 4/25/2024 at 10:43 AM, lookwhatyoumademedo said:

Basically, Tier 1 (huge consistent success throughout their careers). I would add the Christmas lady to Tier 2 since her success was mostly limited to the 90s, but this is a rather controversial issue. Madonna had massive eras in the 80s, the 90s and the 00s. Taylor has had massive eras in the 2000s, 2010s, and 2020s.  

Tier 2 consists of pop girls who have basically secured permanent MPG status due to their huge peaks, meaning that they were cultural phenomena and commercial behemoths at their prime, but they couldn't maintain this level of success, unlike Tier 1 members. Or pop girls who had consistent success, but never had huge peaks. This tier also includes Gaga, Britney, Beyonce, and Rihanna. 

Tier 3 includes the artists who were never the it-girls with huge peaks, couldn't maintain good sales, but still managed to secure decent overall CSPC. Katy, Xtina, Shakira, Pink, Miley, Ariana, you name it. 

Missundazstood sold more albums than anything released by Shakira, Beyonce, Xtina, Rihanna, Katy, etc. She has 2 albums over 6 million, and another 2 over 5 million lmao. Pink had the best global longevity out of her peers until Beyonce with Renaissance/CC. Just because she doesn't please gays, doesn't mean her success is just there 

[PanPikus]

Ouu that's not 

 

[SweetOreosOfHeaven Pronounshe/him]

seek treatment pls 

[SweetOreosOfHeaven Pronounshe/him]

@corvus albus quick do something bestie 

everyone I else I advise to instantly block this weirdo in order not to see the images their posting